Public sentiment demonstrates pride in the China-Pakistan friendship, with many users advocating for the partnership while dismissing India's concerns. Despite the prevailing optimism regarding economic benefits from the China-Pakistan partnership, there are substantial worries over Pakistan's sovereignty and strategic dependence on China. The discourse reflects a strong anti-India sentiment, with many mocking Indian media narratives and emphasizing Pakistan's strategic role in China's plans.

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GovernmentBig2749

Ok, Oh well anyways!! 

Can we talk about how Gadkari is mixing 20% ethanol and fucking up all our vehicles. It’s not even cheap.

BubbleBoyEatsBiryani

Bharat left in dumpster. Will they bricks or Quad?

PossibleGazelle519

Pakistan is doing just fine ... this will booster Pakistan as a state and a partner in new global order.

Pochattaor-Rises

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How many launches of phase 2 have we already seen?

MrEfffsola

weren't there trilateral talks to be held in afghanistan?

zomatopizza

DXB_DXB

Good. The more pressure on Afghanistan the better

Jade_Rook

ConstantClub3642

Only one of them is illegitimate representive of a country....
Any guess??

Puzzleheaded_Wall671

The comments section of this post speaks volumes about the need for an alliance between China and Pakistan.

meiguobisi

Where does the insecurity of India come from?

samsun387

While I don't mind these kinda posts, I feel like they should go somewhere like r/IRStudies in the future instead. Or r/AskEconomics for the economic side of things.

FixingGood_

hello indian guy who pretends to be chinese,indian really hate chinese and think they are better in anyway,and indian are very excited to be usa's dirty dog to bite china,so its impossible

Dependent-Use4847

Well Pak is easy to corrupt and control and will never ever be a threat. India is bigger than China, has a federal system that is hard to fully control even for the prime minister, and is a constant threat to China.

Might as well give a bit of budget for Pak to be a constant pain in the ass of India rather than let them become a pain in the ass of both China and India while freeing India from this obligation to be half nice to China or else Pak attacks.

It's like France helping Ukraine to make Russia stay suck with it forever rather than advance maybe ? And also why India supports Russia to be a pain in the ass of Europe to get a tiny bit of leverage ?

It's just a better idea to help a tiny country in exchange for their undying loyalty than not help them and get nothing at all from India anyway. China penetrating the Indian market is exactly the threat for India and they'll never allow it anyway, unless it's reciprocal which is hard with China: they cant exactly allow internal competition in their very low demand internal market, as in, everyone being poor, if they buy foreign crap instead of domestic, it's gonna make them even poorer. Which is exactly India's problem as well.

A true solution would be for India to fully support Pak to kill China's leverage.


TLDR: they are natural enemies, until they become truly rich, in which case they ll compete on services rather than industry, and still stay natural enemies. The best way forward is for India to stop abandonning Pak to China, but that's not what they both wanna hear so here we are.

FrostingStreet5388

You should ask Indian leaders this question: why are they unwilling to be friendly with China?

daxiong828

Cuz indians are delusional and think they are at the top of the world when they are just a third rated country. The politicians go around and waste 600m usd on a fake victory parade when they have so much poverty. They are untrustworthy and corrupt.

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India’s only enemy is Pakistan. India and China are slowly stabilizing relations. Imo, if China resolved the border issues with India, there would be 0 reason why India and China couldn’t be strategic partners.

In fact, I would make a case for China geopolitically favoring India over Pakistan.

Pakistan has not yielded any results for the Chinese. They are a net drain on resources and do not export anything that the Chinese do not already have. Gwadar, once the flagship project for the BRI, has clearly failed. Chinese engineers have been killed by Baluch militants even with private security companies. The Pakistanis historically and even now are much more reliant on the whims of the IMF (and by proxy, America) than India. India had a 8% growth rate in ‘23 and 7% in ‘24. Meanwhile, Pakistan had 0% / 2.5% respectively. China-India trade is 6x larger than China-Pakistan trade and that is with CPEC. The biggest point is India’s market ; literally the largest and youngest population right next to Chinese ports who are experiencing a growth in discretionary spending. India right now is about to lower its tariffs on American goods, signing trade agreements left and right.

Imagine if China was able to penetrate Indian markets,  Indian AI masters/graduate students going to China instead of the US, and India buying Chinese weapons instead of American or Russian ones.

India’s economy is no where near China’s. The manufacturing capability of India is not comparable with China’s. So then why are the Chinese so afraid of India winning? The only thing they have to do is formalize the LAC (India would surely agree to this) and everything becomes easier between the two. I’m 90% sure the average Chinese person doesn’t care at all about Arunachal Pradesh the same way they do about Taiwan.


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How else are they going to test their weapons?

DaimonHans

One simple reason: India is trying to do the same thing China has been doing for decades.

Greedy-Lunch-5224

On one hand I agree. PLA can be aggressive and detrimental to Indo-Sino relation. Some old officials are stubborn and nationalistic. On the other hand, India is populist and nationalistic too. Like, it does not really have good relation with any neighbor (Bhutan you might argue, but I would argue it's just client state, more of fear than love of India).

Riemann1826

That's a massive galaxy size is there:  if China resolved the border issues with India,

What that means is India gives all that China claims to China.

ActivityOk9255

India hated it when the US armed Pakistan, but should like China when China arms Pakistan?

Money-Ad-545

The friendship between China and Pakistan originally stemmed from the 1962 Sino-Indian War, and has since deepened continuously. In a sense, it has proven even more enduring than China’s relationship with Russia, so it would be very difficult for China to abandon such a long-standing, stable, and solid bilateral partnership simply because India is rising.

China has not intervened—directly or indirectly—in the India-Pakistan conflict by providing intelligence or sending troops; it has merely sold weapons to Pakistan. After all, Russia and France supply India—the very country that has a border dispute with China—with some of its best arms, yet that does not mean Sino-Russian or Sino-French relations deteriorate. The China-Pakistan relationship exists within a similar framework and thus cannot be blamed for any worsening of Sino-Indian ties.

The core friction in China-India relations is the border issue. As long as there remains a possibility of China-India clashes, how could India possibly purchase Chinese weapons? The border conflict is the foundational event shaping today’s China-India relationship, and it would be completely unreasonable to gloss over it.

Economically, China and India will continue to grow together. China has already increased its imports from India to narrow the trade surplus. As India develops, economic ties between the two countries will only become tighter.

Material-Bee-5813

If the Chinese were the sort of people who would roll over for the Indians and give them everything they wanted, China would have ceased to exist a long time ago.

Kahzootoh

Thats the main problem with India. India is thinking too highly themselves. India at the current moment is nowhere equivalent to Russia or USA that China have to consider seriously on their bilateral relationship with.

Low_M_H

# 1. Sino-Indian Relations: The Prospect of a Strategic Partnership Has Ended

After 2018, the "honeymoon period" between China and India completely ended. During the South China Sea standoff in 2016, China attempted to engage India, but the 2017 border conflict exposed the core contradictions between the two sides. Today, China no longer invests in India—its political risks far exceed the benefits of cooperation. Although China maintains a huge trade surplus with India, India's internal governance chaos makes deep integration inconsistent with China's interests.

# 2. Pakistan: Strategic Security Value Surpasses Trade

Pakistan's economic challenges have been long-standing, but its most difficult period has passed. It currently needs China's support to stabilize its economy. The core of Sino-Pakistani relations is national strategic security: Through the "Belt and Road Initiative" framework, China can take the development of Balochistan as a breakthrough—promoting infrastructure and education to both help Pakistan ease internal conflicts and form a balance of power in a "non-interfering" manner. Due to its own vulnerabilities, Pakistan needs to proactively concede partial interests in exchange for support. In other words, China will have means to balance Pakistan. The Baloch issue is both a challenge and an opportunity. Have you heard of Myanmar?

# 3. Indian Market and Talent: Risks of Binding and Response Logic

China's trade surplus with India has proven its market penetration, but further integration requires vigilance against political risks. The flow of Indian talent to the U.S. is essentially driven by self-interest. If the U.S. loses its appeal, Chinese enterprises can emulate Huawei by competing for talent with salaries and development environments, rather than relying on India's domestic cultivation system.

# 4. The Zangnan Issue: A Long-Term Chip in Geopolitical Games

Zangnan is a strategic burden for India, not a dilemma for China—India has deployed substantial armed forces there, incurring huge resource and financial costs. If its development lags behind China, the region may become an economic burden similar to Kashmir. China need not take proactive action; maintaining the status quo alone can exert long-term containment on India.

# 5. The Taiwan Issue: The Current Priority of Core Contradictions

The Taiwan issue has risen to the top of China's strategic agenda, surpassing the scope of domestic security and regional security to become the core focus of current diplomatic and military strategies. I don't understand why you would think Taiwan is not important.

Striking-Still-1742

It's strategic.

China is the strongest country in Asia (ignoring Russia for a second)

The only possible long term competitor is India. So they need to distract India.

Pakistan is the most important distraction.

China is actually well isolated from other countries by deserts, oceans, jungles and mountains. 

While India has no natural buffers between itself and it's neighbors. China and Pakistan can basically walk into India's fertile plains around the Brahmaputra and Indus rivers respectively from the mountain areas they control.

So it's nearly impossible for India to strike back. It's literally an uphill battle for them.

Another distraction is the Naxalite-Maoist insurgency. Although due to logistical reasons, China isn't capable of supporting those substantially. 

China already penetrates Indian markets. Many consumer goods, especially electronics in India, largely come from China.

India will never buy weapons from China, it would be foolish to do that no matter how good the relationship is.

To come back to China and Russia, there is no substantial natural barrier between them so China has to keep Russia friendly even if they don't trust each other. And long term, Russia doesn't have the population to be a real competitor in Asia. It's mostly centered on Europe, population wise.

Ulyks

Because of India. It’s not that deep. 

A common enemy is the biggest glue there is. 

They’re just naturally inclined to be allied and friendly to each other because of India. 

They became besties after the India China war. 

No matter how much relations improve unless the border situation is solved they’ll never ditch Pakistan.

porncollecter69

The only correct thing during your article is we do care Zangnan Province as important as Taiwan Province.

The rest are typical unrealistic and wishful prayers of Indians.  
I hope that you Indians will be conscious and reflect on why you are the only overseas market where you are the only overseas market where you are asked to pay in full when you place an order as a buyer, because of your notoriously fraudulent, untrustworthy and backsliding character.

Desperate-Treacle170

Honestly, why do you want to cooperate with China when your great India is so powerful?

 I have heard from your country that we Chinese are so afraid of your Rafale fighters that we dare not develop an economic construction airport west of Xi'an.India is already so great, let it be, it will continue to be great. 

JAI HINDA!

China won’t ditch Pakistan because it’s a strategic asset, not an economic one. Pakistan helps China counterbalance India in South Asia, provides land access to the Arabian Sea, and is a long-time partner in military and nuclear cooperation. If China pulls away, Pakistan could tilt more toward the U.S. or Gulf states, which would weaken China’s regional influence. Also, as long as India is dealing with Pakistan, it’s less able to focus on aligning with U.S.-led efforts in the Indo-Pacific. For Beijing, India isn’t a future ally—it’s a long-term competitor. Strategy beats trade when it comes to power politics.

00904onliacco

Indian people don't even treat there own people  that look like Chinese with basic human rights I mean the people from northern India what makes you think they will treat Chinese people any different .

Proper_Theory_5552

It makes sense to notice that this person is very active in the Indian sub which means he/she is Indian. Yes, it’s fine to have a friendly relationship with China; we don’t doubt that. However, it’s important not to disrespect your neighbors. I’m also observing that Nepal and Bhutan seem to be moving closer to China. 😂😂 It would be beneficial for you to maintain stability with your neighbors and not assume that you’re the only superpower on Earth.

Apprehensive-Fix1847

It makes a lot of sense for India and China to collaborate in theory. There is definitely much more to gain for China to work with India than Pakistan economically. 

The border disputes are also not fundamentally strategic from a geopolitical point of view.

The issue is India is being used by the West as a counterbalance to China and the West would not allow India to align with China. A united BRICS could in theory disrupt the existing world order, so despite whatever fundamental differences the West has with India, they will do their best to partner India. And India logically would balance this dynamic, along with Russia, to get the best deal out of it. Just look at the renaming of “Asia Pacific” to “Indo Pacific” by the West to emphasise how they see India as being the tip of their spear to be thrusted at China.

leegiovanni

It makes sense for China and India to be closer, but India has a nationalistic population. So despite the obvious need for a closer relationship between the two countries, India government has to act tough against China in order to maintain public support.

statyin

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If the Chinese dream of a multi-polar world is realized, India will be one of those poles.

Put another way, neither China or India want to be the junior partner so they won’t be partners.

knifeyspoony_champ

@OP if you're Chinese and really want to know, reply to my comment in 3 days if you haven't gotten satisfactory answers by then. It'll take some time to type and I'm lazy.

shriand

Recent discussions between China and Pakistan focus on economic cooperation through the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, raising concerns over Pakistan's sovereignty.

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